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 Post subject: steel fuel line
PostPosted: Sun Apr 29, 2012 8:58 pm 
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I need to replace the tunnel steel fuel line on my '61 cab. Stoddard doesn't list a replacement. Is there a source available? What do you all reccomend?
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 Post subject: Re: steel fuel line
PostPosted: Sun Apr 29, 2012 9:34 pm 
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When I bent my fuel lines for the engine I used standard 5/16 lines from the local auto parts store. Very close to the original 8mm line. So much so the original compression fittings worked with it. I haven't replaced the long line you're asking about yet, but I will soon and plan on going the 5/16 route again. I have no idea yet if it's available in that length needed, but I figure if it's not around I could try a heavy truck (18 wheeler type) supply place. You'd think they'd have that sort of thing in length but we'll see.


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 Post subject: Re: steel fuel line
PostPosted: Mon Apr 30, 2012 2:51 pm 
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Paul,

Just for interest sake, why do you need to replace the fuel line in the tunnel ? Rust ?
Changing it out will no doubt require some patience and finesse.

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 Post subject: Re: steel fuel line
PostPosted: Mon Apr 30, 2012 3:41 pm 
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Rust. Its a cab and the center tunnel has seen better days. I'm not a big fan sitting next to a gas line and the current one when tested acts as a sprinkler!
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 Post subject: Re: steel fuel line
PostPosted: Mon Apr 30, 2012 3:46 pm 
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No, we do not make 616-108-531-00 fuel line down the tunnel. It's 1860 mm (73 inches, 6.1 feet) long.

BTW, metric tubing can be purchased from http://www.metricmetal.com/ , that's Parker Steel Co.

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 Post subject: Re: steel fuel line
PostPosted: Tue May 01, 2012 9:58 am 
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I juist replaced mine with type L soft copper 3/8" You can buy it at any plumbing supply or Home Depot. You will need two people to push (straighten) and pull the line and then use a plumbers cutter.
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 Post subject: Re: steel fuel line
PostPosted: Tue May 01, 2012 10:54 am 
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IMHO I wouldn't feel comfortable with copper. Although it is corrosion resistant its not very abrasion resistant. Maybe if you ran it inside a piece of rubber tubing.

Below are two choices of stainless tubing from McMaster Carr. There are several more choices on their site. Easy to order on line. www.mcmaster.com - use the search for stainless steel tubing

# 50415K134 is 8mm OD x .5mm wall welded 316 stainless steel 2 meters long
# 89895K55 is 5/15” OD x .028” wall seamless 304 stainless steel 6 feet long

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 Post subject: Re: steel fuel line
PostPosted: Tue May 01, 2012 3:03 pm 
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JERRY LANDES wrote:
I juist replaced mine with type L soft copper 3/8" You can buy it at any plumbing supply or Home Depot. You will need two people to push (straighten) and pull the line and then use a plumbers cutter.
jerry


Others on this list have warned against using copper for this line because it will harden and become brittle with time. Then you hit a few bumps and....

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 Post subject: Re: steel fuel line
PostPosted: Tue May 01, 2012 3:11 pm 
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Dave Wildrick wrote:
JERRY LANDES wrote:
I juist replaced mine with type L soft copper 3/8" You can buy it at any plumbing supply or Home Depot. You will need two people to push (straighten) and pull the line and then use a plumbers cutter.
jerry


Others on this list have warned against using copper for this line because it will harden and become brittle with time. Then you hit a few bumps and....


I've heard the same, but have a copper hardline in my Beetle for a mechanical oil pressure gauge and after 35+ years and 400,000 miles, it has not leaked. I do have a bulkhead fitting where it passes through the body and then high pressure hose running to the engine.

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 Post subject: Re: steel fuel line
PostPosted: Tue May 01, 2012 5:57 pm 
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Where did this idea about cooper becoming brittle with age ? It will work harden and if you keep working it beyond its elastic limit it will crack. But a tunnel fuel line is like cooper water piping in a house, i.e. static, which lasts forever and is displaced today by PVC only because PVC is much cheaper. 304 or 316 stainless work equally well and have the advantage only of being stiffer and harder to bend during installation and stay shiny.

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 Post subject: Re: steel fuel line
PostPosted: Tue May 01, 2012 8:53 pm 
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I've never seen compression fittings on the OEM tunnel line; the OEM braded 7mm hose fit perfectly--w/o clamps. I never use the common clamps seen on many engines, either. (MHO)

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 Post subject: Re: steel fuel line
PostPosted: Tue May 01, 2012 9:50 pm 
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Thanks for all the comments.
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 Post subject: Re: steel fuel line
PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2012 9:14 am 
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Larry Coreth wrote:
Where did this idea about cooper becoming brittle with age ? It will work harden and if you keep working it beyond its elastic limit it will crack.


I have heard Ken Daugherty (RIP) and Ron LaDow, among others, mention this occasionally.
http://porsche356registry.org/356talk/t ... +fuel+line

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 Post subject: Re: steel fuel line
PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2012 9:51 am 
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Glenn Ring wrote:
Dave Wildrick wrote:
JERRY LANDES wrote:
I juist replaced mine with type L soft copper 3/8" You can buy it at any plumbing supply or Home Depot. You will need two people to push (straighten) and pull the line and then use a plumbers cutter.
jerry


Others on this list have warned against using copper for this line because it will harden and become brittle with time. Then you hit a few bumps and....


I've heard the same, but have a copper hardline in my Beetle for a mechanical oil pressure gauge and after 35+ years and 400,000 miles, it has not leaked. I do have a bulkhead fitting where it passes through the body and then high pressure hose running to the engine.


An oil line to a gauge is a different proposition that a fuel line through the passenger compartment. I've also seen folks use copper for brake lines without killing themselves, but I wouldn't do it.

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 Post subject: Re: steel fuel line
PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2012 10:50 am 
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David Ramatowski wrote:
An oil line to a gauge is a different proposition that a fuel line through the passenger compartment.

How?

The gauge is mounted in my dash so it travels the length of the car. It's under 5-100psi where the fuel is gravity fed and under almost no pressure.

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