A VW Type 1 engine can make a reliable and streetable 200hp. A VW Type 4 can more and Jake Raby has proven that. Both can be built for much less than a 150hp 356 push rod engine. They do no destroy the character of the 356, the sound, the smell and the handling is very close. And the best parts are the reduced cost and it's a "bolt in". The car can be put back with hand tools.

No harm, no foul.

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I think the 4 cam 356 was the first Outlaw. The factory took an engine developed purely for racing, with no consideration for ease of manufacture, maintainence, or rebuilding and put it the "cooking model" street car. They probably stuck the 4 cam into the 356 to amortize the cost of development and manufacture to bring overall 4 cam costs down. The early GT 4 cam 356s were probably also a good homoligation move for racing in the production classes. But, was it a good idea to sell the touring GS models to the general public? The attitude amongst owners "back in the day" was that Carreras were for racing and pushrods were for Zen on the road. I say the Carrera 356 was the first Outlaw.

A 356 4 cam forum is ok but those other 4 cam models should be discussed in the off topic section with the Saabs.

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Cliff Murray

 

'55 Cabriolet Racer

'57 Speedster

'59 Sunroof

'63 Coupe Pushrod GS 2133

'67 911 S

Glenn,
Sounds like a great choice for you VW drivers.

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Cliff Murray

 

'55 Cabriolet Racer

'57 Speedster

'59 Sunroof

'63 Coupe Pushrod GS 2133

'67 911 S

Everytime someone tells me "you should put a porch" engine in there to make it fast, I tell them "why spend twice as much for half the horse power".

If I had a all original 356 I would never put a VW engine in it. But if I had one that was not original and didn't have an engine, I would seriously consider it. Lets face it, the Pre A cars had modified VW engines in them. And a Type 4 with EFI and crank fire ignitions can put out 250hp. That will put the wind in your hair (if you still have any left)

Just remember that doing so does not harm the car, you can unbolt the engine and put it back with hand tools.

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I received a call last week from a chap that asked if I knew of a 4 cam for sale, said he saw me on the 4 cam registry. I didn't even know there was one.
Where is Steven Dean when you need him. I probably wouldn't have gotten so much into the 4 cam if it hadn't been for the Registry. I like the 356 registry, but wonder when it comes to this topic there are any 4 cam owners that are the framers of this website.
Jacques, I thought I tricked one out years ago, a 64 C Carrera Cab with 110 liter fuel tank, center fill and 901 gearbox and early 911 trailing arms, I was trying to put coilovers on it too when 1988 hit and someone had to have it. I've see pics of it since and it is back to looking like a proper Carrera cab with fender fill.
What ever is decided I will support, but agree that some latitute be given for a 4 cam heading.
Rusty

Hi Rusty
The 4-Cam registry that Steve put out was before the internet but we had a great thing going then. It has become too commercial now. Back in the day we helped each other and keep a lot of cars off the scrap heap. The best part about the association was we were not judgmental and could do whatever without being ostracised. My fear is that if we put the 4-Cams on too high a pedestal they again will be out of reach. That is why i am in favor of combining the 4-Cam with the inappropiately named Outlaw Registry Forum.
jacques

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Pat Daily wrote:
Michael and all

I would love to see a forum devoted to the 4-cam 356s, and maybe even the 550 series. I know I will never own one--don't even know if I would want to own one--but I enjoy reading about them and the early racing history from Porsche. I noticed that the last issue of the 356 Registry magazine had lots of stuff devoted to non 356 cars-- namely the Spyders. So why can't we have a forum here. The reasons from the management for not doing it seem sort of weak.

Bye the way, they created a vendor forum which should be at the end of the list, not number 2--it really fowls up my browsing the way it is now.

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Pat and all,

Thanks for adding yourself to the growing number of positive and enthusiastic Members for a new 4-cam, Carrera & History Forum category. We can tweak and tune the final category Forum name titles (of course) but it is certain now that an "Overwhelming Majority" here in the USA and elsewhere wish to have this new category added.

Apparently, it is a Moderator-Trustee issue right now (as Barry concedes). The Trustees are having their first 2012 meeting this Saturday, the 21st. It would be nice to know where that will be at..?

As Adam noted, the Trustees previously added the Forum category "356 Projects" and they also added a perhaps needed, but mis-placed, "Vendors Announcements & New 356 Products" category as well. Perhaps nice for Vendors that are Trustees as well (but I won't go there).

If clear, unbiased, and objective decision making can take place with the "New and Existing" Trustees...they should be able to come to a face to face agreement that this Talk Forum would take great positive steps to be consistent with the 356 Registry Magazine and the needs on this Forum website. We all enjoy the content of the Magazine that includes stories, pictures, and articles on Spyders and Carrera's. Including a devoted section each or every other issue on the 4-cam Motor. So let's try and be consistent.

This request is not complicated...it's simple and has been needed for a long time. As one member previously commented:

"To do that shouldn't be that big a deal. It's a perfect fit for this site. The club itself is what the members make it right? There shouldn't have to be a bunch of pleading and uncertainty. Let's do it."

Thanks, and yes...Let's just do it.

Michael Doyle

ps: Keep the comments coming....it's all good.

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Why not just start a poll on it and see what the readers/members/lurkers want.

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Paul Kust
'57 356A T-1
'73 914 1.7
'81 911SC
'97 Boxster 2.5 tiptronic
Registry Member #10364

Put it in/replace the trustie elections site, thats had a lot of hits.

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Paul Kust
'57 356A T-1
'73 914 1.7
'81 911SC
'97 Boxster 2.5 tiptronic
Registry Member #10364

My post, removed altogether by Barry, was titled "Does the Registry "support" only 356?" and included this Websites picture below on the Home Page"

Michael

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Hi MD
looks like an Emory outlaw to me(oops its labeled a 550). keep up the pressure they can't treat us like mushrooms. i have been trying to be subtle but i will get out the 5kg hammer if we must.
FCF
jacques

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Gang,

For what it is worth we are having a good discussion on 4-cam 547/1 engines over in the regular discussion furum. I am even hoping Steve Heinrichs will decide to share some of his 4-cam knowledge with us, although I'm afraid that it is not looking likely.

Alan

Hi All
First i think the could care less how their car left the factory is slur on the members that modify their cars a better description is how they wished their car left the factory. That said the outlaw of the main forums has the least no of topics but the proportional interest is great in the no of posts. If we morph this into say the 4-Cam, racing and special interest forum they could coexist. The so called outlaws are really 4-Cam wantabes. Now the 4-Cams are mostly collector cars but in their day the cars were bought to be raced or for their technical merit by very knowledgeable enthusiasts. this is not a perfect solution but should achieve better 4-Cam visibility without creating aditional burden and an outcry for more forums.
FCF
jacques

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Jacques...and all,

The 4-cam and Carrera deserve a Title be given to them on this Forum. They are featured in the Registry magazine, but are given insignificance here simply because of the narrow mindedness of the Moderator and a a couple of Board Members...using comments like "it will only serve a few". That's horse pucky. It is not because of the will of the Membership...who, on a 30 to 1 ratio, are in Favor that these cars to be give their place.

Adding a new category, or "simply" renaming an existing category to bring the Magazine and the Forum together, to compliment each other, is a very simple thing to do.

It'll take 15 minutes. Just do it.

Michael Doyle

ps: Below are 4-cam pictures that Title this Web Home page. They also need to be Titled as well in the Talk Forum. It's not hard to figure out. Just do it.

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Michael,

As you know there have been a few 4-cam related topics on the mian discussion forum recently and I think they have worked fine. I find that with sites with large numbers of forums such as The Samba it is too much trouble to pull up each forum to see if anything of interest has been added. Even here I tend to look at the main forum every day, authenticity every couple of days, projects and outlaws maybe once a week and new products....well I will look at it one of these days.

So I say lets leave it alone and, by the way, I think the moderators do an excellent job on a very difficult and thankless job.

You asked,

Alan